cp: -r or -R?

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37 points | by zdw 2 days ago

11 comments

  • spijdar 0 minutes ago
    > nobody™ still runs coreutils from 24 years ago.

    1, coreutils didn't exist yet, and 2,

      Sprite 2.077 pc386
      
              Welcome to Sprite
      
      root@cherimoya [1] # cp --version
      GNU fileutils 3.9
      root@cherimoya [2] # cp --help | grep recurs
        -r                           copy recursively, non-directories as files
        -R, --recursive              copy directories recursively
      root@cherimoya [3] #
    
    I'll take the honorary title of nobody ;-)
  • bariumbitmap 33 minutes ago
    This blog post is odd because it keeps on hinting about a difference between `-r' and `-R' and links to the source code but never actually says what it is. I'll quote the OpenBSD manual that the post mentions but does not link to for some reason:

    > Historic versions of the cp utility had an -r option. This implementation supports that option; however, its use is strongly discouraged, as it does not correctly copy special files, symbolic links or FIFOs.

    https://man.openbsd.org/cp

  • mkl 44 minutes ago
    -a

    Not sure why you wouldn't want to preserve timestamps, links, etc. by default.

    • JdeBP 20 minutes ago
      This is rather missing the point. The headlined article isn't really about how to achieve a goal, but about the weird history and evolution of a tool that leads us to the rather odd situation that we are in today. And it's far from being the only tool that has a weird history, that looks rather nutty if one looks at it from the point of view of a novice having to learn this stuff.

      It's also not even completely covering the weird case of -r and -R for the cp command. On HP-UX, for example, the twain were different, but not in the way that they were in old GNU Core Utilities. That would be too easy. (-:

      The AIX manual for cp explains its difference between -r and -R:

      * https://ibm.com/docs/en/aix/7.1.0?topic=c-cp-command

      Illumos also treats the two differently, but in a subtly different way:

      * https://illumos.org/man/1/cp

    • emmelaich 11 minutes ago
      old cp didn't have `-a`

      Anyway, just use rsync.

  • throwaway2046 7 minutes ago
    I'm more inclined to use the uppercase -R as it's standardized by POSIX and will generally behave the same on any POSIX compliant system.
  • bdavbdav 17 minutes ago
    This always get me. I instinctively -r, until chown which of course doesn’t take it.
  • drhagen 54 minutes ago
    It always seemed like the recursive flag of cp was an implementation detail leaking into the UI. Like, I get that copying a file requires creating more than one inode, but...so? Eventually, graphical OSes agree with me—copy/paste works the same on folders as it does on files.
  • pasc1878 41 minutes ago
    Use rsync instead
    • 5555watch 12 minutes ago
      In my minimal attempts to use rsync, I always find examples where they always use a ton of flags alongside the locations. I'm not gonna learn those flags if cp can do it intuitively and with minimal extra commands. Maybe it's just me.
    • trucks-refinish 36 minutes ago
      rsync unfortunately doesn't do relinking at all, so I can't use it as a generic replacement for cp.
  • bsoqk 1 hour ago
    It's "ditto", not "dito"
    • NaiveBayesian 6 minutes ago
      Huh, TIL. In German, "dito" is the correct spelling, so I always figured it would be the same in English as well.
    • Waterluvian 1 hour ago
      As in the Pokémon, not the Philippines telecom company.
      • Yaqub_W 54 minutes ago
        Much easier to press a key twice than to hunt for é for most people. I get your point though
        • greatgib 5 minutes ago
          I never noticed but indeed in France the official name is "Pokémon" and not "Pokemon". So that the pronunciation in French is correct.

          Is it the case in another country to have a localized name for that?

        • Waterluvian 17 minutes ago
          Apparently Pokémon is in my phone’s word book.
  • 5555watch 47 minutes ago
    On a somewhat related note, I really hate that in scp -r and -R mean entirely different things.
    • pluc 30 minutes ago
      The worst is when things behave different when you give them `~/somedir` vs `~/somedir/`. I think it's rsync that does that
      • amelius 26 minutes ago
        Yes, into versus onto. Luckily we have AI to write our command lines.
    • aulin 40 minutes ago
      How about port that is lowercase in ssh and uppercase in scp?
  • mqus 1 hour ago
    would you be safe in using --recursive always? (e.g. shell scripts)
    • olowe 1 hour ago
      There are implementations of cp out in the wild that do not recognise the --recursive flag. OpenBSD was mentioned in the article and there’s also busybox cp https://busybox.net/downloads/BusyBox.html
    • hnfong 56 minutes ago
      Double dash long options are basically a GNU extension. BSD utilities generally don't support them. Apparently macOS does not either (since it's based off of FreeBSD)
      • JdeBP 42 minutes ago
        macOS was based off NeXTSTEP, not FreeBSD.

        And the received wisdom about long options in the BSDs is a quarter of a century out of date. When the BSDs gained a getopt_long() in their C libraries thanks to Klausner and Baron, long options quietly started appearing. This process has been gradually and quietly on-going for the whole of the 21st century.

        • throw0101a 25 minutes ago
          > macOS was based off NextBSD, not FreeBSD.

          "NextBSD" was first released in 2015:

          * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NextBSD

          Over a decade after macOS/Mac OS X was initially released:

          > macOS (previously OS X and originally Mac OS X) is a proprietary Unix[7][8] operating system, derived from OPENSTEP for Mach and FreeBSD, which has been marketed and developed by Apple since 2001.

          * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacOS

          > Darwin is the core Unix-like operating system of macOS, iOS, watchOS, tvOS, iPadOS, audioOS, visionOS, and bridgeOS. It previously existed as an independent open-source operating system, first released by Apple in 2000. It is composed of code derived from NeXTSTEP, FreeBSD[3] and other BSD operating systems,[7] Mach, and […]

          * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_(operating_system)

          I remember reading release notes for FreeBSD in the '00s and seeing the exact same lines in the release notes for earlier versions of OS X.

          • JdeBP 15 minutes ago
            Bah! Thought NeXTSTEP. Typed NextBSD. Fixed. I've been typing lots of names ending in 'BSD' today. (-:
    • dotancohen 30 minutes ago
      I believe that -R is the safe works-as-expected-everywhere option.
  • here_to_learn 1 hour ago
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