13 comments

  • bayarearefugee 1 hour ago
    goes into effect 12 days before a midterm election that is already starting to look like a blue tsunami.

    It's a bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if it pays off for 'em.

    • biglyburrito 56 minutes ago
      Never interrupt your enemy when they are busy making a mistake.
    • sanp 13 minutes ago
      Assuming there is no chicanery
    • cyanydeez 1 hour ago
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  • happyopossum 1 hour ago
    There's nothing in the CBP rule that prohibits importing prescriptions, although there will no longer be a duty exemption for them. The rule is about suspending the 'de minimis' exemption for shipments valued under $800...
    • loeg 33 minutes ago
      Wasn't that already suspended in, like, 2025?
      • yibg 23 minutes ago
        I believe it had a phased rollout, which impacts all parcels soon.
  • Blackthorn 5 minutes ago
    Hasn't it effectively been suspended for over a year now?
  • MadrasTh0rn 23 minutes ago
    Trump is trying to trade the petro dollar and opec for Venezuelan oil that will tank the dollar and make debt unpayable (every advisor has said this), how he's trying to make medicine unaffordable before alternatives are ready. Sheesh.

    Every use case for tarrifs include got subsidy and small trade barriers so it can grow with market share.

  • downrightmike 1 hour ago
    What does this actually mean?
    • trashface 1 hour ago
      Various pharmacies in Canada will accept a US prescription and send you the medication via mail, usually at far cheaper than what you would pay for the same in the US.

      This prevents it.

      • CubsFan1060 11 minutes ago
        Interesting. Got some examples of the pharmacies?
    • motionlessveloc 1 hour ago
      Means you can no longer legally buy far cheaper prescription medicines from Canada, Mexico, India, China etc and ship them to the US.

      Their own primer on the topic: https://www.personalimportation.org/understand-the-issue

      • dawnerd 45 minutes ago
        That’s not what it says. It’s still legal. You just have to pay duties. It’s also not just on medication. They shared these rules a while ago too.
        • BHSPitMonkey 16 minutes ago
          Well... the legal route is no longer "far cheaper" than domestic supply.
        • matthewdgreen 29 minutes ago
          Canadian pharmacies already pay tariffs. What does this actually change?
          • reddozen 23 minutes ago
            Your comment is nonsense.

            Canadian pharmacies pay Canadian tariffs. Americans pay American tariffs. American importers are no longer exempted from paying American tariffs applied by the US government for goods de minimis goods they import from Canada.

            This post is about American importers no longer having exemption on tariffs they would have otherwise paid to the US government.

            At no point has Canadian pharmacies ever paid American tariffs. This is fiction you invented.

            • matthewdgreen 18 minutes ago
              I don’t know what you’re saying, but for those confused. Starting in 2025, the de minimis exception was removed. This added delays to purchases of drugs from Canada to the US, and required consumers to pay new duties. These duties were collected by the pharmacies at order time, or at least my experience was that the pharmacies would charge your card for them. This is the common sense understanding of what I said above.

              These duties were annoying but bearable. However these new changes will effectively shut down all consumer orders of drugs from Canada starting on Oct 22. So if you need these drugs to stay alive, order them right now.

              PS This new rule is going to put my family’s health at risk and I’m deeply pissed about it. Having some HNer pick this moment for pedantry is incredibly on brand.

    • actionfromafar 1 hour ago
      The people in charge betting they only need to count the "red" ballots this time?
  • JohnMakin 27 minutes ago
    weird title change.
  • mcmcmc 1 hour ago
    It truly boggles the mind how Trump managed to sell tariffs as anything other than a tax on American consumers
    • porkshoe 1 hour ago
      He gets away with it because a lot of right-wing elites _love_ the idea of taxing consumption rather than income (or, heaven forbid, wealth).

      Additionally, Trump, Hassett, etc are still blaming Biden for inflation caused by the tariffs... and a lot of their base would rather believe that than admit that they got suckered by an obvious scam.

      • loeg 31 minutes ago
        He doesn't actually "get away" with it. A lot of people, left and right, are unhappy about tariffs. But for now, he controls the executive, so it is what it is.
        • mcmcmc 14 minutes ago
          The problem is it was never an executive power to begin with. The unitary executive theory pushed by the Heritage Foundation is counter to everything the US was founded on. Decisions from the current SCOTUS are questionable given the conflicts of interest with certain spouses and the endless improper gifts.
        • LastTrain 23 minutes ago
          This is entirely in the “rights” control right now, any of them “unhappy” with it are outliers.
          • fragmede 10 minutes ago
            We'll have to wait and see how many of those outliers end up voting, and how.
            • Forgeties79 7 minutes ago
              His core base (a solid 25-50% of the party) would rather die than vote for a democrat and all this DSA scare mongering is only entrenching them further/pulling the more moderate among them back into the fold.

              The blue wave will likely be a result of blue turnout and some small number of red sitting at home. And sadly the senate is still a toss up

      • pstuart 25 minutes ago
        A lot of his base believe his lie that the other countries are paying the tariffs.

        His followers are literally beyond reason and will accept anything he says. It's so very depressing.

      • technothrasher 1 hour ago
        > Trump, Hassett, etc are still blaming Biden for inflation caused by the tariffs

        I'm starting to see this backfire with a lot of "personal responsibility" type old-school republicans to whom I talk. They're getting fed up with the administration just blanket blaming anything bad on Biden. Whether that will translate to actual political change, I do not know. But I found it interesting that I'm hearing the frustration more lately.

        • jeremyjh 42 minutes ago
          Narrator: It did NOT translate to actual political change.
          • TheOtherHobbes 6 minutes ago
            It doesn't need to translate to actual political change. It needs to translate to them staying at home instead of enthusiastically voting for more sadistic traitorous insanity.

            Which is looking quite likely.

            Although it does assume there are no peculiar and unexpected anomalies with the vote counting.

        • LastTrain 22 minutes ago
          It will not because there are still immigrants and trans people to hate.
      • ch4s3 14 minutes ago
        Populists of all stripes love tariffs and the illusory promise of autarky. We didn’t see Biden remove any of Trump 1’s tariffs and not a single Democrat in congress has committed to repealing the tariffs.
    • toomuchtodo 1 hour ago
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      • hungryhobbit 1 hour ago
        > Takes a 12th grade reading level to understand jury instructions.

        Source?

        • toomuchtodo 1 hour ago
          Keyword search: “reading level jury instructions”

          https://www.thenationalliteracyinstitute.com/2024-2025-liter... (“54% of U.S. adults read below the equivalent of a sixth-grade level”)

          Assessing the Readability of Capital Pattern Jury Instructions - https://docs.rwu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1207&contex... (2013)

          "Plain English" Jury Instructions: Why They’re Still Needed And What The Appellate Community Can Do To Help - https://www.floridabar.org/the-florida-bar-journal/plain-eng... (2004)

          > The average reading level of American parents of young children is 7th or 8th grade.

          > About one in every four Americans (25 percent) is a high school dropout.

          > About half (45 percent) have gone to college for some period of time, but fewer than one in six (15 percent) have a college degree.

          > Nearly 50 percent of the Americans surveyed cannot read well enough to find a single piece of information in a short publication, nor can they make low-level inferences based on what they read.

      • underlipton 58 minutes ago
        Oh, FFS. You're conflating capability with inclination. Trump supporters are not unintelligent; they have made a choice (conscious or not) to indulge their fears and hubris over making an informed decision. "They believe whatever they feel is truth and vote their vibes accordingly," is correct, but they act this way not because they're incapable of thinking critically, but because they allow a milieu of entitlement, fear, righteous indignation, and misplaced hope to drive them towards easy answers. "Why?" is complex, but it's still unacceptable, regardless.

        I have a problem with "Trump voters are idiots" because it lets them off the hook. They need to be held accountable, helped where their grievances are real, and pushed to reconcile their feelings with the facts.

        • dgellow 45 minutes ago
          You basically wrote „Trump supporters are not unintelligent; they‘ve made a choice to behave like a complete idiot“?
        • toomuchtodo 50 minutes ago
          > but they act this way not because they're incapable of thinking critically, but because they allow a milieu of entitlement, fear, righteous indignation, and misplaced hope to drive them towards easy answers

          My brother in Christ, re read the sentence you wrote. That is quite literally the inability to critically think.

          • csoups14 39 minutes ago
            An inability to think critically is not the same thing as a lack of critical thinking in a specific context. Would you agree that you think critically in some contexts and make emotion-driven decisions in others? I know I do, as much as I try to apply critical thinking universally.
            • toomuchtodo 34 minutes ago
              No. I make almost every decision from a place of hyper rational logic and reason, partly from my professional experience in risk management, and partly because I take pharmaceuticals that have a side effect of quelling any emotional response. I cannot make an emotional decision because I don’t feel emotion driven. It’s delightful if I’m being honest.

              Certainly, I understand why the emotion drive humans do emotion driven things. I do not.

    • tygon 1 hour ago
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  • techmunky 1 hour ago
    Is this even in CBP's wheelhouse or is this another egregious overreach?
    • adbachman 1 hour ago
      this is their thing, yeah.

      the C in CBP, "Customs", is specifically this kind of stuff.

      • cjkaminski 1 hour ago
        If only it were so simple. Many of CBP's policies are clearly defined by U.S. Congress (most recent example, which actually establishes CBP: https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/644/...). That said, Congress appears to have ceded their oversight role by allowing these rules to change without comment.
        • WarOnPrivacy 22 minutes ago
          > Congress appears to have ceded their oversight role

          If there is one most-bipartisan-thing-ever, ceding oversight is it. ex:FastTrack Trade

  • Someone1234 1 hour ago
    I flagged this and wanted to explain my reasoning.

    At the time of writing, the article states something that its own link doesn't support (i.e. it is inaccurate). CBP hasn't "suspended all personal prescription importation." What they've done is removed De Minimis Exemption (i.e. duty free below $800), and that's it. Meaning you can still important personal medication before and after Oct 22nd, what has changed is that now it is subject to normal duty.

    Do I think this is bad for people importing personal medication? Absolutely I do, and I oppose it. However, I don't think misstating the argument is constructive nor warranted. You could make the argument using the facts on the ground, and then re-state that in the thread title.

    So the story is worthy of discussion, and interesting (even the personal medication POV). But this link and this title aren't "it." Hopefully we can get a higher quality source and title on this topic.

  • dawnerd 1 hour ago
  • Arodex 1 hour ago
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    • gustavus 1 hour ago
      What do you hope to accomplish by that statement?

      Do you think this will motivate people who may have voted for trump but been ok the fence by calling them stupid?

      Is it to help give a better alternative or actionable advice? Does it contribute anything to the discussion?

      It seems it primarily exist to give you a hit of self righteous dopamine while attempting to create further rifts between individuals.

      • add-sub-mul-div 1 hour ago
        At some point the emperor should be made aware that he's naked, even if it hurts his feelings to find out.
        • 0cf8612b2e1e 1 hour ago
          He just kicked out those meanies from the press room for saying hurtful things.
      • anonymars 1 hour ago
        Far more useful would be to wonder for a moment why people voted that way, especially since I would wager no small part of the reason is because people are living in different realities stemming from hyper-targeted curated clickbait slop
        • dgellow 1 hour ago
          And racism
          • anonymars 1 hour ago
            Oh, did racism in the US suddenly increase? More than the days of, say, Jim Crow or the Ku Klux Klan, or Operation Wetback, or..?
            • dgellow 39 minutes ago
              Are you denying Trump is openly racist? I thought that was now accepted by the right, and that the new strategy was to instead explain how being racist isn’t actually that bad. Why would you have such a knee jerk reaction?
            • Arodex 34 minutes ago
              Between "Kavanaugh stops" (aka police harassment of brown-skinned people) and racial gerrymandering being brought back (and Mississippi GOP immediately celebrating it in the old capitol associated with Jim Crow), what do you think?
        • Arodex 32 minutes ago
          >why people voted that way

          "Fuck your feelings"

      • SpicyLemonZest 1 hour ago
        > Do you think this will motivate people who may have voted for trump but been ok the fence by calling them stupid?

        Yes. That's been a surprising and important lesson of the Trump movement's success; we've learned that insulting your political opponents can help convince fence-sitters, and doesn't automatically repel them. I wish it weren't so, but in the modern political climate, abandoning insults seems as strategically unwise as abandoning fundraising.

      • stonogo 1 hour ago
        we need an irony hall of fame for this forum
    • readthenotes1 1 hour ago
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  • SSchick 1 hour ago
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    • trumpdong 1 hour ago
      On the contrary, this blocks you from bypassing big pharma.