Working around dragons with the Lemote Yeeloong laptop and OpenBSD

(oldvcr.blogspot.com)

94 points | by zdw 9 hours ago

7 comments

  • bentley 7 hours ago
    The NetSurf browser the author tried out has multiple frontends. Two run on OpenBSD that I know of, the “default” GTK frontend and an SDL‐based framebuffer frontend. As was pointed out, GTK has a rather sizeable number of dependencies; building the framebuffer frontend instead would save a lot of time.
    • classichasclass 7 hours ago
      (author) Is there a way to specifically build the framebuffer version from the ports tree? I didn't see one.
    • anthk 6 hours ago
      Mainline Dillo runs faster and smoother, it's just an fltk + git clone && configure +make install away.
  • 1vuio0pswjnm7 2 hours ago
    "However, I can find no evidence that Richard Stallman had/has a dog, or indeed any pet."

    According to his own disclosures, he has a fear of dogs

    https://web.archive.org/web/20120119135147if_/https://secure...

  • userbinator 5 hours ago
    I don't think these machines achieved much popularity in China either, as standard PCs were far more common and compatible with the existing software base.

    the keyboard and trackpad are internally PS/2.

    Interesting that the PC influence is still there, although I'm pretty sure a MIPS doesn't have them on port 60h/64h, or indeed any I/O ports. I remember having a similar moment of surprise when I played around with an ARM VM and discovered it had a "VGA-compatible" GPU emulating an old ISA-class chip.

    • justin66 4 hours ago
      A decade’s worth of SGI machines combined MIPS processors with PS/2 keyboard and mouse ports.
      • walrus01 1 hour ago
        To be fair to that there wasn't really any other viable mass-market interface that the keyboard manufacturers in China/Taiwan could standardize on. The PS/2 keyboard interface was backwards compatible with an AT keyboard through the user of a passive physical pin adapter. And USB didn't exist yet.
        • justin66 1 hour ago
          Oddly enough, the SGI Fuel (also the Tezro, I think) had PS/2 keyboard and mouse ports but also offered USB ports and support for HID devices in IRIX.

          I have no idea whether the keyboard and mouse that shipped with those later SGIs were PS/2 or USB devices.

          edit: IMO there was nothing wrong with preferring PS/2 to USB 20-some years ago. Higher theoretical refresh rate on the PS/2 mouse at that time and the PS/2 keyboard offered better n-key rollover, although I question whether any of that mattered one way or the other to an SGI owner

          • walrus01 1 hour ago
            In x86 i386 world there was a good long overlap of ATX/MicroATX motherboards shipping with both PS/2 keyboard/mouse ports and also USB ports on them, starting from 1998 era Pentium 2/3 systems when USB first became commonplace and continuing until probably 2010 or so.
    • classichasclass 4 hours ago
      (author) My understanding is that they're wired into the AMD southbridge which provides them over memory mapped I/O.
  • JdeBP 8 hours ago
    The wsconscfg problem with multiple screens, whatever it exactly is, is decidedly odd. According to this, the display is being driven as smfb0 in what is largely a dumb framebuffer mode, no acceleration, no GPU, no fancy high jinks whatsoever. wscons/wsdisplay should have no difficulty with multiple screens on that sort of thing.
  • anthk 8 hours ago
    No computer is obsolete with a BSD. I still use an n270 netbook daily.
    • Narishma 4 hours ago
      Same here. I have a Samsung NC10 netbook with that same CPU which I recently converted from Debian to NetBSD when they dropped 32-bit support.
    • iberator 6 hours ago
      Acer aspire one with NetBSD
  • shrubble 7 hours ago
    It’s tough to find them on eBay; I wonder what the right search terms are?
    • mattst88 4 hours ago
      I think they're super uncommon in the west.

      I think they're also super useless, to be honest. Incredibly slow. Linux support continued to degrade the entire time I owned mine. The keyboard and display are far too small to be usable. The graphics chip accelerates basically nothing.

      I sold mine [1] on eBay back in October. I hope the new owner enjoys it more than I did :)

      [1] https://mattst88.com/computers/yeeloong/

  • stevefan1999 9 hours ago
    I still think it is very cursed to see that image of RMS using that laptop despite I was shocked to see it 12 years ago. Still shocks me to this day.
    • em-bee 9 hours ago
      what is shocking about it?
      • sellmesoap 7 hours ago
        I think because it's RMS champion of digital openess using using an archaine Chinese laptop, it's the dichotomy of China providing a product that's essentially more free (of binary blob firmware) then a western equivalent laptop. Take heed and dispare oh ye providers of win modems!