MNT Reform is an open hardware laptop, designed and assembled in Germany

(mnt.stanleylieber.com)

73 points | by speckx 21 hours ago

12 comments

  • honkcity 1 minute ago
    I use their Pocket reform option pretty regularly, its a gorgeous device. The keyboard is a delight to use and the community is very friendly and helpful. The RK3588 is also plenty fast for the programming I like to get up to -- mostly writing things in Go or Ocaml for myself, but also for larger tasks its worked fine.

    It has rough edges but its very usable , especially for somone inclined to hack on their devices. My main trouble being my yearning to use Alpine on it but not quite having the know how personally to get it up and running.

    I like it enough though, that I've also got the Next ordered, which I'm very excited for.

  • irusensei 2 hours ago
    I think 1450 EUR for a 16GB RK3588 is hard to justify. Is the Rockchip open to begin with?

    I'd go for a framework using the Roma or CIX boards if I wanted to go for an "open hardware but not really" goal.

  • jabl 2 hours ago
    I'm intrigued by this, but waiting for the MNT Reform Next.. https://www.crowdsupply.com/mnt/mnt-reform-next
  • exitb 2 hours ago
    It's an interesting concept, but perhaps a bit financially and environmentally wasteful, when you can get a 10 year old ThinkPad for 10% of the price that will perform roughly as well as this one. We don't need to bring more low-powered laptops into this world.
    • utopiah 1 hour ago
      Maybe https://www.ifixit.com/News/94927/how-open-hardware-empowers... helps to get how it's different than "just" getting older hardware that had good repairability scores (indeed like ThinkPabs,cf https://www.ifixit.com/repairability/laptop-repairability-sc... ) namely that the idea isn't to "hijack" a locked-down supply chain and get cheap parts assembled anywhere. Rather it's to challenge that supply chain and open it up, which is indeed going to be expensive, maybe even environmentally wasteful (to clarify IMHO) at first but then long term will radically improve the situation.
      • whateverboat 56 minutes ago
        How are they better than framework? Looks a worse product for much higher prices.
    • miladyincontrol 1 hour ago
      Agree, being weaker than an N100 I would argue by large it is already ewaste compared to just getting an old thinkpad or similar.

      Its over engineered in some ways and woefully under engineered in others. Any real effort in making it more performant or trying to extend it's life will just generate more additional ewaste than it will save by just reusing existing hardware.

    • timschmidt 1 hour ago
      On the other hand, since all the design files are available, anyone can design an upgraded motherboard for this machine and keep all the other parts out of the landfill.
      • exitb 1 hour ago
        That’s true. It doesn’t even have to be just „anyone” as they sell compute module upgrades themselves. The thing it though, the old ThinkPads are already here, readily available. It’s still more environmentally conscious to get one every few years instead of buying a new compute module.
        • timschmidt 3 minutes ago
          I'm not sure it's so clear. On one hand, businesses will continue to purchase computers and sell them in lots every few years. On the other, every computer purchased from some other supplier is one less made by someone else. What's important about a computer is it's suitability for purpose, which is not necessarily the same thing as fastest / latest / cheapest / whatever. If my purpose requires modular expansion, my choices are this thing and Framework. Neither of which I'm going to find inexpensive used. I can think of a lot of scientific and engineering data logging applications that would be great for. And a machine like that might serve 20 years if it works well at the task. I've seen a lot of machine controls still running Windows 98.

          https://www.clockworkpi.com/home-uconsole is another great example of a machine I've seen people mod into all manner of special-purpose device that wouldn't work as well with a used business laptop.

  • Tade0 53 minutes ago
    It's been a while since I've last seen a laptop powered by 18650s. The thickness seems to be directly the result of using them there.
  • boesboes 2 hours ago
    I've been looking into switching away from apple and try to buy more EU based services and products.

    I love the concept and might just buy one to support the project, but I want something sleeker for my daily use. So I'm considering slimbook & tuxedo atm as buy-from-eu options.

    • dlahoda 2 hours ago
      Where do you want it to be produced? Assembly is not production, essential parts production is.
  • jstummbillig 37 minutes ago
    I wished it was easier to manufacture things. There is a reason that Apple is held in high regard, and looking at this makes abundantly clear, why.
    • bluGill 12 minutes ago
      You can make things at home. However some parts will need $100 worth of your time when you can buy it - at slightly the wrong size - for $0.50. You could make the part for $0.25 instead - but it would cost several years to design the molds.
  • silon42 2 hours ago
    As it's not very small, it would be a lot cooler if it had a full no compromise TKL mechanical keyboard.
  • ehnto 2 hours ago
    Can you fly with stuff like this? I only wonder because of the battery setup. Very cool, I would personally use a regular track pad over the ball as I prefer as little mouse interaction as possible and it would stay out of the way better.
    • olgierd 2 hours ago
      Off the shelf LiFePo4 18650, marked capacity - not at all sketchy. 8 cells are way below the carry-on limit of 100 Wh.
    • megasquid 2 hours ago
      Have multiple times no problems.
  • briandear 18 minutes ago
    Trackball?
  • roshin 55 minutes ago
    the trackball is interesting
  • yashasolutions 2 hours ago
    Looks really cool!