Cord: Coordinating Trees of AI Agents

(june.kim)

56 points | by gfortaine 4 hours ago

17 comments

  • colbyn 33 minutes ago
    I have yet to read this article (in full), but I love trees! As an amateur AST transformation nerd. Kinda related but I’ve been trying to figure out how to generalize the lessons learned from this experiment in autogenerating massive bilingual dictionary and phrasebook datasets: https://youtu.be/nofJLw51xSk

    Into a general purpose markup language + runtime for multi step LLM invocations. Although efforts so far have gotten nowhere. I have some notes on my GitHub profile readme if anyone curious: https://github.com/colbyn

    Here’s a working example: https://github.com/colbyn/AgenticWorkflow

    (I really dislike the ‘agentic’ term since in my mind it’s just compilers and a runtime all the way down.)

    But that’s more serial procedural work, what I want is full blown recursion, in some generalized way (and without liquid templating hacks that I keep restoring to), deeply needed nested LLM invocations akin to how my dataset generation pipeline works.

    PS

    Also I really dislike prompt text in source code. I prefer to factor in out into standalone prompt files. Using the XML format in my case.

  • mirekrusin 2 hours ago
    Nice one.

    You should also try to make context query the first class primitive.

    Context query parameter can be natural language instruction how to compact current context passed to subagent.

    When invoking you can use values like "empty" (nothing, start fresh), "summary" (summarizes), "relevant information from web designer PoV" (specific one, extract what's relevant), "bullet points about X" etc.

    This way LLM can decide what's relevant, express it tersly and compaction itself will not clutter current context – it'll be handled by compaction subagent in isolation and discarded on completion.

    What makes it first class is the fact that it has to be built in tool that has access to context (client itself), ie. it can't be implemented by isolated MCP because you want to avoid rendering context as input parameter during tool call, you just want short query.

    Ie. you could add something like:

      handover(prompt, context_query, depends_on: { conversation_id_1: "result", conversation_id_2: "just result number" }) -> conversation_id"
    
    depends_on is also based on context query but in this case it's a map where keys are subagent conversation ids that are blockers to perform this handed over task and value is context query what to extract to inject.
  • znnajdla 50 minutes ago
    This kind of research is underrated. I have a strong feeling that these kinds of harness improvements will lead to solving whole classes of problems reliably, and matter just as much as model training.
  • jamilton 3 hours ago
    Feels very AI written in a way that makes it annoying to read with all the repetitive short sentences.

    Neat concept though, would be cool to see some tests of performance on some tasks.

  • nerdright 1 hour ago
    This is truly dope.

    I've been playing with a closely related idea of treating the context as a graph. Inspired by the KGoT paper - https://arxiv.org/abs/2504.02670

    I call this "live context" because it's the living brain of my agents

  • sriku 2 hours ago
    We built something like this by hand without much difficulty for a product concept. We'd initially used LangGraph but we ditched it and built our own out of revenge for LangGraph wasting our time with what could've simply been an ordinary python function.

    Never again committing to any "framework", especially when something like Claude Code can write one for you from scratch exactly for what you want.

    We have code on demand. Shallow libraries and frameworks are dead.

  • kgc 1 hour ago
    Claude basically does this now (including deciding when to use subagents, tools, and agent teams). I built a similar thing a month ago and saw the writing on the wall.
  • sathish316 1 hour ago
    Historically, Claude code used sequential planning with linear dependencies using tools like TodoWrite, TodoRead. There are open source MCP equivalents of TodoWrite.

    I’ve found both the open source TodoWrite and building your own TodoWrite with a backing store surprisingly effective for Planning and avoiding developer defined roles and developer defined plans/workflows that the author calls in the blog for AI-SRE usecases. It also stops the agent from looping indefinitely.

    Cord is a clever model and protocol for tree-like dependencies using the Spawn and Fork model for clean context and prior context respectively.

  • dcre 3 hours ago
    Not exactly a surprise Claude did this out of the box with minimal prompting considering they’ve presumably been RLing the hell out of it for agent teams: https://code.claude.com/docs/en/agent-teams
  • vlmutolo 3 hours ago
    I wonder if the “spawn” API is ever preferable over “fork”. Do we really want to remove context if we can help it? There will certainly be situations where we have to, but then what you want is good compaction for the subagent. “Clean-slate” compaction seems like it would always be suboptimal.
    • aleksiy123 58 minutes ago
      This is my question also but a bit different.

      Is there any reason to explicitly have this binary decision.

      Instead of single primitive where the parent dynamically defines the childs context. Naturally resulting in either spawn or fork or anything in between.

  • mikert89 2 hours ago
    all of these frameworks will go away once the model gets really smart. it will just be tool search, tools, and the model

    in the short run, ive found the open ai agents one to be the best

    • cjonas 2 hours ago
      This approach seems interesting, but in my experience, a single "agent" with proper context management is better than a complicated agent graph. Dealing with hand-off (+ hand back) and multiple levels of conversations just leaves too much room for critical information to get siloed.

      If you have a narrow task that doesn't need full context, then agent delegation (putting an agent or inference behind a simple tool call) can be effective. A good example is to front your RAG with a search() tool with a simple "find the answer" agent that deals with the context and can run multiple searches if needed.

      I think the PydanticAI framework has the right approach of encouraging Agent Delegation & sequential workflow first and trying to steer you away graphs[0]

      [0]:https://ai.pydantic.dev/graph/

      • sdeiley 1 hour ago
        This isnt true for big code bases. Subagents or orchestration become vital for context handholding
        • mikert89 1 hour ago
          yeah i think sub agents are needed, missed that in my comment
    • znnajdla 1 hour ago
      I don’t think so. The harness matters a lot for the task at hand, and some harnesses are much better than others for some kinds of problems.
  • sergiomattei 56 minutes ago
    My small agent harness[0] does this as well.

    The tasks tool is designed to validate a DAG as input, whose non-blocked tasks become cheap parallel subagent spawns using Erlang/OTP.

    It works quite well. The only problem I’ve faced is getting it to break down tasks using the tool consistently. I guess it might be a matter of experimenting further with the system prompt.

    [1]: https://github.com/matteing/opal

  • jauntywundrkind 57 minutes ago
    Strong agree about the value of fork.

    Opencode getting fork was such a huge win. It's great to be able to build something out, then keep iterating by launching new forks that still have plenty of context space available, but which saw the original thing get built!

  • mbirth 2 hours ago
    Not to be confused with:

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      • infecto 3 hours ago
        Glad you said it first. I thought it was particular comment length and then two back to back same minute comments to be strange.