WebDAV isn't dead yet

(blog.feld.me)

75 points | by toomuchtodo 1 day ago

19 comments

  • ctippett 1 hour ago
    > In fact, you're already using WebDAV and you just don't realize it.

    Tailscale's drive share feature is implemented as a WebDAV share (connect to http://100.100.100.100:8080). You can also connect to Fastmail's file storage over WebDAV.

    WebDAV is neat.

    • rpdillon 1 hour ago
      I use it all the time to mount my CopyParty instance. Works great!
  • nickcw 1 hour ago
    I wrote both the WebDAV client (backend) for rclone and the WebDAV server. This means you can sync to and from WebDAV servers or mount them just fine. You can also expose your filesystem as a WebDAV server (or your S3 bucket or Google Drive etc).

    The RFCs for WebDAV are better than those for FTP but there is still an awful lot of not fully specified stuff which servers and clients choose to do differently which leads to lots of workarounds.

    The protocol doesn't let you set modification times by default which is important for a sync tool, but popular implementations like owncloud and nextcloud do. Likewise with hashes.

    However the protocol is very fast, much faster than SFTP with it's homebrew packetisation as it's based on well optimised web tech, HTTP, TLS etc.

  • 1123581321 2 hours ago
    I built a simple WebDAV server with Sabre to sync Devonthink databases. WebDAV was the only option that synced between users of multiple iCloud accounts, worked anywhere in the world and didn’t require a Dropbox subscription. It’s a faster sync than CloudKit. I don’t have other WebDAV use cases but I expect this one to run without much maintenance or cost for years. Useful protocol.
  • cyberpunk 1 hour ago
    I use webdav for serving media over tailscale to infuse when I'm on the move. SMB did not play nicely at all and nfs is not supported..

    The go stdlib has quite a good one that just works with only a small bit of wrapping in a main() etc.

    Although ive since written one in elixir that seems to handle my traffic better..

    (you can also mount them on macos and browse with finder / shell etc which is pretty nice)

  • cricalix 2 hours ago
    "FTP is dead" - shared web hosting would like a word. Quite a few web hosts still talk about using FTP to upload websites to the hosting server. Yes, these days you can upload SSH keys and possibly use SFTP, but the docs still talk about tools like FileZilla and basic FTP.

    Exhibit A: https://help.ovhcloud.com/csm/en-ie-web-hosting-ftp-storage-...

    • SoftTalker 50 minutes ago
      I haven't used old school FTP in probably 15 years. Surely we're not talking about using that unencrypted protocol in 2025?

      From that link:

          2. SSH connection
      
          You will need advanced knowledge and an OVHcloud web hosting plan Pro or Performance to use this access type.
      
      Well, maybe we are. I'd cross that provider off my list right there.
    • jasongill 1 hour ago
      Shared hosting is dying, but not yet dead; FTP is dying with it - it's really the last big use case for FTP now that software distribution and academia have moved away from FTP. As shared hosting continues to decline in popularity, FTP is going along with it.

      Like you, I will miss the glory days of FTP :'(

      • bawolff 34 minutes ago
        I think the true death of ftp was amazon s3 deciding to use their own protocol instead of ftp, as s3 is basically the same niche.
      • theshackleford 59 minutes ago
        Shared hosting is in decline in much the same way as it was in 2015. Aka everyone involved is still making money hand over fist despite continued reports of its death right around the corner.
  • sylens 2 hours ago
    Author seems to conflate S3 API with S3 itself. Most vendors are now including S3 API compatibility into their product because people are so used to using that as a model
    • PunchyHamster 49 minutes ago
      More like attempt at S3 API compatibility...
  • mid1221213 1 hour ago
    On the same topic, and because I believe too that WebDAV is not dead, far from it, I published a WIP lastly, part of a broader project, that is an nginx module that does WebDAV file server and is compatible with NextCloud sync clients, desktop & Android. It can be used with Gnome Online Accounts too, as well as with Nautilus (and probably others), as a WebDAV server.

    Have a look there: https://codeberg.org/lunae/dav-next

    /!\ it's a WIP, thus not packaged anywhere yet, no binary release, etc… but all feedback welcome

  • williamjackson 2 hours ago
    I was surprised, then not really surprised, when I found out this week that Tailscale's native file sharing feature, Taildrive, is implemented as a WebDAV server in the network.

    https://tailscale.com/kb/1369/taildrive

    • nine_k 1 hour ago
      What else would you expect, just out of curiosity? SMB? NFS? SSHFS?
      • worik 1 hour ago
        A proprietary binary patented protocol...
        • PunchyHamster 48 minutes ago
          and do what, implement virtual filesystem driver for every OS ?
  • netsharc 1 hour ago
    One interesting use of WebDAV is SysInternals (which is a collection of tools for Windows), it's accessible from Windows Explorer via WebDAV by going to \\live.sysinternals.com\Tools
    • gruez 1 hour ago
      Isn't that SMB, not webdav?
      • MrDrMcCoy 1 hour ago
        IIRC, Windows for a while had native WebDAV support in Explorer, but setting it up was very non-obvious. Not sure if it still does, since I've moved fully to Linux.
  • sunaookami 1 hour ago
    Recently set up WebDAV for my Paperless-NGX instance so my scanner can directly upload scans to Paperless. I wish Caddy would support WebDAV out of the box, had to use this extension: https://github.com/mholt/caddy-webdav
    • xattt 1 hour ago
      Which scanner, if you don’t mind me asking? I’ve got a decade+ old ix500 that had cloud support but not local SMB.
  • warabe 1 hour ago
    Just like the author, I use WebDAV for Joplin, also Zotero. Just love them so much.

    We need to keep using open protocols such as WebDAV instead of depending on proprietary APIs like the S3 API.

  • Tractor8626 19 hours ago
    If you need sftp independent of unix auth - there is sftpgo.

    Sftpgo also supports webdav, but for use cases in the article sftp is just better.

  • mastax 2 hours ago
    Relatedly, is there a good way to expose a directory of files via the S3 API? I could only find alpha quality things like rclone serve s3 and things like garage which have their own on disk format rather than regular files.
    • elitepleb 2 hours ago
      consider versitygw or s3proxy
  • jeroenhd 1 hour ago
    I wonder how much better WebDAV must have gotten with newer versions of the HTTP stack. I only used it briefly in HTTP mode but found the clients to all be rather slow, barely using tricks like pipelining to make requests go a little faster.

    It's a shame the protocol never found much use in commercial services. There would be little need for official clients running in compatibity layers like you see with tools like Gqdrive and OneDrive on Linux. Frankly, except for the lack of standardised random writes, the protocol is still one of the better solutions in this space.

    I have no idea how S3 managed to win as the "standard" API for so many file storage solutions. WebDAV has always been right there.

  • indigodaddy 20 hours ago
    Copyparty has webdav and smb support (among others), which makes it a good candidate to combine with a Kodi client perhaps?
  • cyberax 1 hour ago
    I'm using WebDAV to sync files from my phone to my NAS. There weren't any good alternatives, really. SMB is a non-starter on the public Internet (SMB-over-QUIC might change that eventually), SFTP is even crustier, rsync requires SSH to work.

    What else?

    • MrDrMcCoy 1 hour ago
      Syncthing is pretty nice for that sort of thing.
      • PunchyHamster 47 minutes ago
        Syncthing is great but it does file sync, not file sharing, so not ideal when you say want to share a big media library with your laptop but not necessarily load everything on it
        • MrDrMcCoy 41 minutes ago
          That moves the goalpost. The user I was replying to wanted sync and didn't seem to be using other functionality like that.
  • PunchyHamster 50 minutes ago
    > FTP is dead (yay),

    Hahahaha, haha, ha, no. And probably (still)more used than WebDAV

    pls send help

  • rubatuga 21 hours ago
    No random writes is the nail in the coffin for me
  • sublinear 20 hours ago
    This blog post didn't convince me. I must assume the default for most web devs in 2025 is hosting on a Linux VM and/or mounting the static files into a Docker container. SFTP is already there and Apache is too.

    The last time I had to deal with WebDAV was for a crusty old CMS nobody liked using many years ago. The support on dev machines running Windows and Mac was a bit sketchy and would randomly have files skipped during bulk uploads. Linux support was a little better with davfs2, but then VSCode would sometimes refuse to recognize the mount without restarting.

    None of that workflow made sense. It was hard to know what version of a file was uploaded and doing any manual file management just seemed silly. The project later moved to GitLab. A CI job now simply SFTPs files upon merge into the main branch. This is a much more familiar workflow to most web devs today and there's no weird jank.