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  • hnthrowawayacct 1 day ago
    This guy always has an unreal amount of engineering lift for hobby videos. A treat to watch every time.
    • JKCalhoun 1 day ago
      Yeah, a YouTube treasure. For anyone new to his channel, you have a back log of amazing experiments to binge on.

      I believe he works at Alphabet (tangent?)—somewhere in the Bay Area.

      • quux 23 hours ago
        IIRC he works (worked) for Verily, and previously was at Valve working on their VR hardware. He's also mentioned having a business pre-Valve that made MRI safe controllers for users to interact with computers while inside an MRI machine.
    • egeres 20 hours ago
      It's a completely different level, he has my favorite combo, incredibly detailed videos with fresh and complex engineering ideas
      • jayrot 16 hours ago
        Also, really the holy grail of YouTubers — he’s not concerned with clicks or retention. He has a day job, he’s not trying to do this full time or make a career out of it. I’ve been following him for years. Legitimately just an insanely smart person doing projects on his own time he thinks are interesting and that he thinks other people might be interested in too. It’s kinda crazy when it’s as simple as that with no ulterior motives or incentives.
    • ThrowawayTestr 23 hours ago
      What a 10x engineer does in his free time
  • mjb 21 hours ago
    That's much better results than mine!

    I notice a similar 'holographic' effect when coloring titanium a couple weeks back, and experimented with getting them dialed in along the same lines as this video. I didn't have nearly as much success, despite the underlying physics being similar. My guess is that the much lower thermal conductivity of titanium causes a lot more smudging than on stainless, which makes the grating effect less pronounced.

    One interesting thing I noted with Ti is that satin finished Ti (media blasted with 500 grit glass media) won't take a color from electrocoloring, but will from MOPA laser coloring. Not nearly as nice as polished Ti, but still there. Given that they are such similar processes (growing a set thickness oxide layer), its somewhat surprising to see different results.

    I guess I'm going to have to experiment on some polished 304.

    • kragen 18 hours ago
      Maybe you're melting the metal surface flat before the oxide forms on top of it?
  • kelseyfrog 20 hours ago
    I'm confused by the authors description of holograms and my own understanding. He starts to go down a path of holographic "pixels," but whai I know about holograms is that the holographic image doesn't have such a concept - the image is delocalized.

    There have been some successful attempts at handmade holograms[1] that I wonder how the video creator could adapt.

    1. http://amasci.com/amateur/holo1.html

    • rcxdude 11 hours ago
      I think he's thinking like lenticular images which are often described as 'holograms', since the apparent color changes with the viewing angle like with the lenticular images.
    • somat 18 hours ago
      I suspect that the idea is that the simple way to etch a hologram in the surface is to have a set of holographic picture elements(pixels) where each element hologram would get etched for each pixel in the source image.

      It also sounds like this was a minor side experiment and found not to work as expected so not much further effort was put into it.

  • neilv 11 hours ago
    YouTube wouldn't show me this video using Firefox, even with uBlock Origin disabled:

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    But it would show me the video using Chromium, without an account configured.

  • mikkupikku 1 day ago
    Pity it won't work for chocolate holograms.
    • alganet 1 day ago
      Why not?
      • Karliss 22 hours ago
        The chocolate is mentioned because some time ago people discovered that you can just use a piece of diffraction grating or holographic stickers as mold for molten chocolate and it will transfer the diffraction grating/hologram to chocolate. Now you can buy commercial silicon molds for creating chocolate with holograms, you can also get 3d printer build plates with similar idea. Just reproducing a hologram in DIY environment with easily available household items is unusual, doing it with food items is more amazing. Applied science channel has a video on that as well from few years ago although he wasn't first one to come up with similar idea.

        This technique with laser seems to produces the diffraction grating by varying oxide layer thickness not by creating 3d texture so resulting surface is still flat and attempting to use it as mold will not transfer the pattern to chocolate.

        The reason many commercially available diffraction gratings have 3d texture (and thus suitable for copying with chocolate) is because stamping a hot piece of metal into plastic is a very cheap way of doing it.

        • alganet 22 hours ago
          Again (see my other comment in the thread), I thought the oxides were just for color variation and there was depth changes that could be used for a mold.

          Anyway, there are still ways of moving forward with the idea. For example, chemically removing the oxide layer to a desired thickness sounds feasible. If I were him, I would try it (but maybe in another video, as the whole process would be a whole different rollercoaster).

      • rainbowzootsuit 23 hours ago
        Colors are from oxide layers and dont create a geometric structure that can be molded. He explains in the video.
        • ginko 20 hours ago
          I wonder if you could etch the oxide layer away to leave the metal pits.
          • kragen 18 hours ago
            Maybe, but stainless may not be the best material for that, because the oxide layer formed is largely chromia, and chromia is a motherfucker, which is why stainless doesn't rust. Etching chromium off the chromia sounds practically difficult but probably feasible; etching chromia while leaving metals sounds hard. Maybe molten sodium hydroxide?

            Instead, you could choose a different metal whose oxides are easy to etch. Magnesium is probably the extreme case here, with an oxide that instantly vanishes in the weakest of acids, but if someone gave me a US$7000 fiber laser, I would try to keep the laser beam away from thin pieces of magnesium. But mild steel, for example, forms oxides that etch pretty easily with acids. I think copper oxides also etch easily with either acids or bases, too, and the copper itself is more resistant to etching.

            Really, though, if you're molding silicone or chocolate, you don't need the high strength, flexibility, conductivity, etc., of metals. Maybe etch your grating into a material chosen for other properties. Glass, for example, is perfectly isotropic and has no grain structure to introduce into your cuts, and it has a low TCE. It sticks to silicone, but not to chocolate. Fused quartz is a glass with a near-zero TCE. I assume but don't know that the MOPA laser can ablate the glass surface.

            Other amorphous solids might be more amenable to easy laser shaping and not stick to silicone. Sugar glass, for example.

            • kragen 3 hours ago
              Speaking of unreasonably dangerous things, though, it occurs to me that, if you laser-marked metal that was submerged in perchloroethylene (or carbon tet), the oxidation you'd get would be metal chlorides rather than metal oxides, and for almost all metals the chloride is easily etched with just plain water. You probably don't want to try that with aluminum.
            • alganet 14 hours ago
              To anyone reading: think very carefully about what you're doing before pointing high powerful lasers at glass.
              • kragen 13 hours ago
                Are you worried that the glass might overheat and break, or that it might produce a more dangerous specular reflection than Krasnow's polished stainless foil?
                • alganet 12 hours ago
                  Reflections. I don't think it can keep heat more than steel does.
                  • kragen 6 hours ago
                    I think the reflections from glass will be about 5% of the reflections from polished stainless steel. So, while in general I strongly endorse your point, I don't think it applies in this context.
      • ThrowawayTestr 23 hours ago
        Because chocolate doesn't form oxides
        • ggm-at-algebras 23 hours ago
          You need a mechanism which forms interference fringes. Chocolate blooms, so you might be able to etch the bloom.

          Otherwise, it's skim an edible oxide layer over the chocolate to etch.

        • alganet 23 hours ago
          I thought the oxides were just for color variation. Maybe I misunderstood that part.
  • brcmthrowaway 23 hours ago
    Could this be used to make a diffraction grating on PMMA?
    • tecleandor 10 hours ago
      I don't think so, but corrections are welcome.

      It's also mentioned in another comment and (I think) the video about how it wouldn't work in chocolate. As it works creating oxide layers, not a diffraction structure:

      If you try it directly on PMMA it won't create a diffraction structure, but a kinda slightly melted surface. I don't know if etching would be possible with enough precision on PMMA.

      If you do it on steel and use it as a mold to pour (?) PMMA, as people do with chocolate and diffraction grates on plastic, there's no structure to transfer.